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join us for special memorial katrina five years later katrina five years later tomorrow on the fox report. captioned by closed captioning services, inc >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, governorer mike huckabee. [ applause ] >> mike: hello, welcome to "huckabee" from the fox studios in new york. earlier this summer, i had a chance to talk to actor robert duval. we played a portion of that interview a few weeks ago. but i had such a great chat with him, we didn't want to just end it there. we've got time for more of it tonight. and we will have more with robert duval. [ applause ] next week marks the end of u.s. combat mission in iraq. but when the troops return home from any battlefield,
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many of them suffer from depression that builds up after experiencing the unspeakable things that they witnessed at war. we're going to talk tonight to a highly decorated former army ranger about how he fought his demons as well as the retired general who now helps troops overcome theirs. and former detroit lions pro-bowl defensive lineman luther ellis is here. a man of faith and family. he thought he was spending his millions wisely. now he's climbing out of the whole of debt he -- hole of debt he dug and warning others. he joins us. plus little rockers are here with an otis redding classic. all of that on the show tonight. [ applause ] so, i want us to start tonight, something i haven't done in a while here on the evening show is to talk to our audience and let them see maybe what is on their mind, ask them whatever they want. i usually end up regretting
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because they ask me stuff that i have no idea so i try to act like i do. we'll go to the audience and see who has a question they want to start with tonight to get us cranked up. who is first? >> hello. i'm kathleen. i know you are working a busy schedule. how do you keep your relationship with your friends and family so strong? >> mike: i don't have any friends left. it alienated all of them from all the years in politics. seriously one thing i find is important to do is make daily contact with my family. my kids are grown. they're adults. i have two married children. one who is not marry who had lives in california. but we talk virtually every day. and my wife and i communicate every day both by phone and electronically through e-mail and texting. even if i'm on the road i find it important to communicate. i am busy. but, you know, i'm blessed. i feel so very fortunate that i've got something to do. and a purpose. i love life. i think that one of the things that happens if you do
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something you enjoy, you know, it doesn't matter how busy you are. being busy doing something you love brings you energy rather than take it away from you. always find something you like to do. if you're doing something you hate, find something better. not worth it. life is too short. who is next? >> i'm yvonne. my question is do you think the u.s. military, do you see the u.s. military stand beyond the -- staying beyond the 2011 withdrawal from afghanistan? >> mike: there is no doubt. united states military will be in iran and iraq for much longer. they'll tell us they're not there for combat but there for support roles and supervisory roles but the likelihood that we could get out of either of the theaters of war anytime soon is unrealistic. unless we got out with a clear understanding that doing so means the countries would collapse. i've been to both places. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. to be honest, it will take longer in afghanistan to
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bring stability there than it will iraq. iraq has some fundamental things in terms of an educated population, it's got fertile soil that crops can grow, oil, basis of a strong economy, they have ports. they have all the things that can make for a very successful country. afghanistan on the other hand, i told my familiar when i came home, i thought i had been on the set of the flintstones. it's so primitive. there is no infrastructure. no roads, no water system. not an educated population. they're still very tribal. it's going to be a long, long haul if ever for them to have the kind of independence that u.s. says sure, they're there. we'll be there a while and if we're not there the country will likely collapse. all right? take another one. >> i was wondering. do you feel that the green energy sector has a large role to play in the recovery
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of our economy? >> mike: i do think green energy is important. it's one of the things that the country has to evolve into, because the cost of making a sudden abrupt and unexpected conversion would be staggeringly hurtful to the overall economy and the jobs we have. what we should have done is 35 years ago when we had the first real oil embargo and saw the energy crisis, at that point, then president nixon should have said in ten years we will no longer be dependent on fossil fuel produced largely by other people for the energy needs. we would have developed clean coal, nuclear, wind, solar, all sorts of things that would have made us long before now completely energy independent with a sustainable and echo friendly approach. that's still ought to be the goal. but our goal is one of those where we need to pick a point in time in the future and say here is where we're going and
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create tax incentives and create other kinds of economic empowerments so we can get there. not to hurt the economy that we have. but to build on top and make it a better economy so our grandchildren one day will have it. thank you. i hope it is helpful to you. [ applause ] robert duval is best known for roles in "godfather" "apostle" and "lonesome dove." his latest film opens nationwide this week and called "get low" and it stars bill murray and analysissy spacek. duval plays felix butch, a hermit. a funny and fascinating film with a very important message for all of us. that is, are you at peace with yourself? and your maker? >> after you left here, did you do the right thing? >> you listen to me. i built my own jail and put myself in it. i stayed in it for 40 [bleep] years.
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>> felix is a complex character. >> very. >> you think you know him and then you find out you don't know him at all. >> exactly. >> isn't that like most of us, most people? >> absolutely. contradictions, complexities. it's -- people say you do you play the good guy or the bad guy? no such thing. there is a mix. always a mix. >> mike: do you consciously do a film hoping to communicate a message? is there anything deeper that you say gosh, i hope they get this? for example in "get low." >> no. i don't tend to like to have message movies. if there is a message there, let it happen. you know, just so long as what i see when i pick up the script i want to do something, there is a certain sense of humanity. like i was thinking about "get low" and how did i really prepare for that. the main thing i forgot about that i did when we went on vacation in northern argentina with my wife and her family, i would sit there and look at the andes
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mountains. and gain a certain sense of solitude. because if i gained a certain sense of solitude, then i feel i could play the character. leading the hermetic life for many years in the woods with him and his pet mule. you know, so that sense of solitude and so he could think, luminate. i did that in rehearsing with myself in northern argentina. >> mike: there was a scene in the movie "get low" that describes that term. one i have to be honest with you. i don't think i heard it before. i thought i heard all the colloquialisms of rule america. but the character felix goes to a local preacher and says -- >> it's about time for me to get low. >> get what? >> mike: what did he mean? >> i think everybody has a different meaning. the director and the -- i think "get low" is getting down. getting low, maybe for jesus,
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i don't -- getting low, humble. so i can have maybe one more day on the earth before i go. you know? i don't know. what did you take from it? just to get down. >> mike: just to be that honest person, the person that finally is going to put everything else aside no, pretense. no high-mindedness. utter absolute abject honesty. >> absolutely. it's tied with religion. >> mike: i saw it rerepentance. the turning point. i'm going to get -- >> although he did go and say i ask jesus for forgiveness, i never did nothing to him. but you can still believe in jesus and say that. >> you ought to have a funeral party while you're alive so you can go. >> yes or no? >> yes. >> the guy is going to die maybe and that's why he wants his own funeral to get this tremendous guilt. >> does robert duval wake up every day and say i'm perfectly content with who i am? or is there still a struggle in you at this point in life,
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that complexity we see in your characters? >> i think so. there is always a complexity. there is not the status quo isn't there necessarily of perfection. i think, you know, you do wake up saying, you know, some days you feel better than other days, you know. it's percentages. you know, and i wake up to try to find peace. i'm the kind of that will wake up do things and take my that before i really get up. the second time i get up i feel better. when i get an early morning nap. my dad used to call it an equal strain on all parts, a nap. a good nap. >> mike: if we were going to cast you in a movie and you were going to play any of the american presidents, which one would you want to play and why? >> they offered me truman once. it's hard to play people that you really know because they know who that is. i played eisenhower once.
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>> mike: any of them that you especially admire that you look to history and say that guy was a great president? >> i did have a great respect for ronald reagan. i really did. >> mike: what about him made you believe he was a great president? >> because for, you know -- people would disagree obviously. but i think the guy had a certain integrity, honesty about him. i mean, in the best sense of the word, what you see is what you get with him. >> mike: if you weren't an actor, what would you be doing? >> maybe a not so successful high school football coach. i don't know. i don't know. i think about that sometimes. what i would be doing. i don't know. maybe, maybe i do nothing on this farm but it's just a home. but maybe i would like to have been a rancher. a strange thought. i've thought of that often what would i do if i weren't doing this. >> mike: do you have any
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films you wish you hadn't done? >> i'm sure, and there were some i passed up. but the ones i wish i had i probably don't remember the name now. >> mike: do you ever plan to retire? >> well, i don't see any drool here, do you? >> mike: i don't! >> i'm not wiping the drool yet. >> mike: you don't have to work. >> michael caine says you don't retire, the business retires you. there are good things left. i have potential. [ applause ] >> mike: coming up, the ravages of post traumatic stress disorder. for our troops watching, there is hope and there is help. we'll talk about that next. tetee
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>> mike: thousands of our troops return from war with physical scar but the harsh reality of the battlefield leave the heroes with tremendous psychological wounds. according to pentagon, more troops were hospitalized for mental health disorders than any other medical reason last year. joining us now, former army ranger nate self, highly decorated war hero who suffered from post traumatic stress disorder from iraq, afghanistan and kosovo. also with us is his wife julie. nate, julie, thank you for coming and helping us to cover a story that you
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experienced. but unfortunately has been experienced by hundreds of thousands of others through the years in the military. but postnotably this is a serious issue. people coming back from war. maybe no visible wounds but serious, serious psychological wounds. i want you to first talk about your story. you were an army ranger. you led a platoon of rangers to rescue a navy seal in afghanist afghanistan. a very widely known story. stone phillips did a piece on it, on "dateline." tell us what happened. >> this was six months after 9/11. i was part of a special ops task force there to try to kill or capture some of al-qaeda's top leaders in afghanistan. we had a call one night in march of 2002 that there was missing in action navy seal. i led a team of rangers to try to find him. and we flew through the night in two helicopters to a mountain top. we were shot down on the
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mountain top before we landed. several men were killed that day. we fought from just before sun up until well after the sun went down. we found the seal that we were looking for. he had already been killed but we brought him home. but at the cost of six more of our fellow troopers lives. >> mike: six rangers that were with you under your command were killed seeking to rescue a navy seal who himself was already deceased. >> there were rangers, another seal that was killed, joint special ops unit. mix of different services. >> mike: 15-hour battle. so when that is over, you come back and everybody says nature a hero. you got the purple heart. you got the bronze star. highly decorated for heroic action which is well-deserved. something is going on inside of you that you didn't feel quite like the hero, did you? >> i think it's awkward for anyone who feels like they are doing their job,
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especially those who don't make it out alive they'd be praised for that. >> do you feel guilty? >> i felt guilty because the man on my right and man on my left were both killed, still breathing. there were several times that day we should have died. we all have those experiences in life where we feel like we shouldn't be alive anytime. >> mike: these weren't strangers, you knew these guys. >> mm-hmm. i knew them very well. we had lived together for several months, deployed and before that i led them for about a year-and-a-half in training. you know, we would have bible studies together. these men were transforming aside from the combat experience and see someone die. it was very traumatic. >> mike: you come back home and introduced to julie and starting to build your life again. when did you first start saying something is not right inside of me? >> when i first came home, i
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didn't really want to reintegrate with society. for me, it was the reality was over there. i just wanted to go back. so i did go back to iraq in 2003 and 2004. when i was there, i started to experience nightmares and started to have severe anxiety, the fear. and that fear i think for me, i ran away from the faith that i had had in afghanistan and my whole life. that marked a departure point for me that took me down a bad path. >> mike: julie, when did you start seeing something going on in nate that you knew was not the nate that you had seen before the war experience? >> well, i think for me, i didn't really start to see a change until he got out of the army until he got back from iraq. he already said he didn't want to burden me with any of his problems so he never really talked about much.
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>> he started to open up to me about survivor's guilt and paranoia and it got to a point where we sought help with an army chaplain friend and the family friends, the local church and -- >> mike: nate, you had two sons by this time. you came to a place where you seriously contemplated taking your own life. >> i did. that's hard to say. i say it because i know there are so many others out there, not just military but across america who are dealing with that right now. our army is really under the stress of the potential suicide. it's a very real possibility for a lot of people though it doesn't make any sense. on more than one occasion i sat alone with a pistol that
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my men had given me as going away gift, with it loaded just wanting to use it on myself so. that why didn't you? what kept you from doing it? >> my wife and my kids and my family. i just couldn't bear to think about what they would find in that situation. what they would have to live with from their forward. now i think about the situation and i know there is so many single soldiers who are alone. who don't have that stop gap in their minds to say i'm not doing this. if i would have been alone, she would have left me. or if i would have been single with no family, i would have done it very easily. >> mike: wow! when we come back, we're going to be joined by major general bob dees who has been a very important part of helping you guys. a lot of folks understand that the rangers make a commitment and they commit they will not leave a fallen comrade on the battlefield.
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that's remarkable. it's one of the reasons that we ought to all have admiration for them. but the tragedy is this country is leaving a lot of our soldiers and sailors and marine and coast guardsmen and others, leaving them not on the battlefield of iraq and afghanistan, but on the battlefield of their own souls and minds. it's the greatest tragedy and one we cannot allow to happen. we'll talk about what is being done, what should be done, with a must be done for these who serve for us. when we come back. general robert dees joins us. do not go away.
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>> we are joined major general robert dees who works to help troops with post traumatic stress
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disorder. general, first of all, you had a distinguished military career. you had extraordinary responsibilities. you were ahead of the joint task in israel, in the middle east. but when you retired from the military. you got involved in helping those who have gone through what nate described. why? >> well, my wife and i kathleen had the privilege of serving with great americans like nate and julie and so many others so we felt committed particularly when we saw global terror kick off. we saw the wounds of war and knew there would be invisible wounds of the war. heart, spirit. we knew people would need help with that. we went with an organization called military ministry to help with the nates and julies of the world. >> mike: when you look at the issue, broad perspective, how big is it with those who have come back from combat and service? >> it's huge in an individual's life.
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when they come to the point of suicide or when they have the nightmares and can't get to sleep and intrusive thoughts and flashbacks, that's huge in their life. but it's huge nationally. the numbers are daunting, governor. the numbers are like 100,000 untreated cases in the veterans alone, plus the millions that they are treating. we have five soldiers that attempt suicide every day. soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines. we have many families suffering a secondary trauma that occurs with post traumatic stress disorder in the military veteran that returns home. the suicide rates are off the map. i mentioned historic highs in army and marines. the air force just this last week reported suicide surge within the air force. we have to do something about it. 58,169 troops gave their lives in vietnam. over 100,000 vietnam veterans thus far committed suicide
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and still counting. >> mike: almost twice as many people came home from vietnam and killed themselves that were killed in the war. >> that's exactly right. the hidden wounds of war, movement of the heart, soul, spirit and mind are traumatic and it's a national epidemic. we are throwing millions of dollars at it. hundreds of millions of dollars. the department of defense, veteran affairs, working it hard, and military chaplains working but we haven't abated the suicide trends or post traumatic stress disorder. homelessness. a quarter of the nation's homeless are veterans. much of that is related to traumatic stress as well. >> mike: nate wrote "two wars." remarkable book. great story of the war you fought in iraq/afghanistan and the war you fought in your own heart and soul. and nate, you teamed up and you work with general dees people like him and speaking and telling your story. are there people that just
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come up to you with almost remarkable story of how they're struggling with post traumatic stress disorder? >> i have people call me and approach me personally, physically approach me almost daily. the work i've done with the military ministry, helping to spread the word as to what ptsd is. and how faith can make a difference. as it did in my life. has a huge response. from world war ii veterans who have come up to me in different cities and told me they finally recognized a problem. and are getting help. to young men and women still active duty that are reaching out for assistance. >> mike: what can people do? in the individual churches and communities. if they want to say i don't want someone in my hometown to come back and i'm not aware they have a need, what can they do? >> i offer they need to love first of all. that's the banner over all of this. secondly, they need to learn. there are specific things to be learned, dos and don'ts
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related to dealing with a combat veteran that returns. then they need to leverage themselves through the community organizations, churches, organizations like military ministry. anything they can do. >> mike: is there a website? >> sure. i would recommend people go to ptsdhealing.org. it covers this whole subject. we also have a rapid response center. that's where we have respo responders ready to answer questions, help people, care-givers, give help, all of that. it's also important for partners. we have a number of wonderful partners. we have the uso and american association of christian counselors, air compassion for veterans. american bible society. building a consortium so that we move a nation to care and we truly can get everything in the fight. >> mike: you've got some materials you brought with you. the combat trauma healing man wall and when war comes hope. our audience will get copies of these materials as well as nate's book. how can others get the material that you have for our audience? >> sure.
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they go to the website, ptsdhealing.org. or 800-664-6006, healing response center. we want to help and we want to help other people help people in the woodwork of america. not just active duty of fort hood but little rock, arkansas. we're doing healing seminar for churches in little rock ahead of the 39th brigade. >> mike: that is the national guard unit that has been deployed three times for major duty and then tin gents of the 39th even beyond that. it's been unbelievable time which they have been called over and over. nate, i want to ask you to tell me if you could just say to one of your fellow soldiers or someone else in the military, they airman, sailors, marine, coast guardsman, what message do you have for those folks like you who have served, who come back and struggling? maybe they have not talked to their wife or pastor? with a would you want to say
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to them? >> i say first of all, you're not alone. this is normal. normal reaction to abnormal events in life. we are here. there are people around you that love you. there are people that have been there before that have walked the tough road. whose family have decided to stay by them. and have made that commitment to forgive whatever is in the past. they should look inside and see if there is something they should deal with and know there is help out there and there is hope. you can get better. >> mike: i want to say thank you very much. i hope folks will read your book "two wars." julie, great to have you here and general, thank you and god bless you for what you're doing to help those who so faithfully and wonderfully served us and served our nation. we owe them. it's not a matter of just we ought to do it. we must do it. they have put their lives on the line for us. remember, ptsdhealing.org for more information. we'll be right back.
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♪ fare thee well ♪ farewell ♪ mr. gloom be on your way ♪ ♪ though you haven't any money you can still be bright and sunny ♪ ♪ sing polly wolly doodle all the day ♪
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♪ hah >> new video just released of the chilean miners. the engineer says the men will have to help in their own rescue. drilling the escape whole will dump thousands of rocks into the
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pit. the miners will have to clear it away. it could take 3-4 months to get them out. rescuers are able to get food, water and medicine to the men below. federal investigators looking into a fire at a mosque in suburban nashville, tennessee. four pieces were dowsed with gasoline. it is being used for an expansion of monitor. the heated debate over the planned building of a mosque near ground zero in new york city is encouraging opposition group. i am marianne rafferty for the latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. go to foxnews.com. ♪ ♪ >> mike: luther gave his time and money for christian charities while earning millions in the n.f.l. but just a few years after he retired from the game, the economy went south along with luther's investments. he declared bankruptcy.
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and now even the church is helping him out. welcome former defensive tackle for detroit lions, luther ellis. good to have you here. >> glad to be here. >> mike: thank you so very much. [ applause ] you earned over $20 million in the course of your career. for most people, they'd say well, a guy would never need any more money after that. then you found yourself flat broke. how does it happen? >> well for me, personally, my story, i invested in companies and different things i wanted to be a part of while playing and i allowed other people to take care what was going on in the companies. when the companies headed south they look at whose john hancock at the bottom of the contact, loans and they came after me to pay off the loans. >> mike: you ended up paying not just your investment but even some of the debt incurred by the companies that you had become part of. >> yes. well, i just felt like it was the right thing. especially if you make a stand for christ and tell people you are a follower for
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christian. they look to you especially in the times are you really going to be the person, run from the debt, figure out a way to skirt around the issue there. i said no, we're going to pay as much as we can. what was left is what drew us to bankruptcy. >> mike: you ended up, though, having to move out of your home. you have had some real reversals of fortune. most people would live their lives hoping to be able to do with a you did. are you angry? do you get bitter at the people who cheated you, who were irresponsible with your money? >> no. governor, i don't blame other people. i ultimately made the decision to do the things i did. so i don't blame anybody else. i just look, i get frustrated with myself. i have a beautiful wife, 11 beautiful children. >> mike: 11 kids. >> 11 children. yes, i do. we adopted six children. big advocate for adoption and foster care and things of that nature. a lot of things i'mal involved with. that's where i get frustrated. because the testimony i stand up with my life and do what
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it represents is affected a little bit but this is a new door, a new chapter, a new opportunity to help other people. >> mike: during the course of what i would guess could be called the pinnacle of your career, when you were playing with the n.f.l., when there was lots of money and you were investing, you were interviewed and said that money is not that big of a deal to you. but the kids were. that you loved the kids and the 11 kids. it was almost like you said okay, now we're going to find out if you really love the kids when the money is all gone. it had to be a shock to go through that much money. and it be gone. what do you do now to take care of those 11 children? >> now i work for a company locally in auburn hills, michigan, called youth corps. we do real-time play-by-play sports. still around youth and sports. something i'm passionate about. i'm also looking at other things. doors are open to share my story and hopefully share my story with another athlete to change his fortune and keep
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him from going down the slide. there were warning signs heading to where i was heading but i always thought my financial advisors, the other people were taking care of it. it's okay. we'll be okay. i never expected the company to go belly up and end up having to pay all the debt. >> mike: luther, one thing that is different about your story. you hear about the athletes or other celebrities and they have a lot of money but they blow through it. it's drugs, you know, alcohol, it's just wild partying. reckless behavior. yours wasn't partying, reckless behavior. i had nothing to do with drugs. you were very active in your church. you were serving god. doing all the things that most of us would look at and say isn't it admirable? yet, there was still the vulnerability. how many n.f.l. players and maybe n.b.a. players and major league baseball players are also going through the same kind of thing because they trust other people with their money? you were involved in your sport, not money. it's happening to a lot of people. isn't it?
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>> it is happening to a lot of people. as professional athletes most of us come if a boor background, where we -- poor background where had to fight to get to where we're at. we don't know what we don't know. we're the go-to guy, the guy to make a difference in the game. we're expected to know what we'll do. even with the financial side we're expected to know. we trust people to do that. by doing so, it kind of puts us in a situation where we're afraid to say i don't know what a 401(k)is. i don't know where the investments are and what it is. it's hurting a lot of athletes. right now, 60% of all major athletes within three years after they're finished with will divorced, bankrupt and homeless. >> mike: 60%? >> over 60%. in the n.f.l. it's higher. well, there is -- >> mike: wow! > >> [ inaudible ] let's just say over 70% of the n.f.l. players will end
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up in the same situation i am. >> mike: that is incredible. when we come back from the break, i want to talk about what you are doing now to help other athletes. your fellow pilgrims in the process of professional sports. luther elliss will stay with me. we'll be right back. don't go away. host: could switching to geico really save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance? is having a snowball fight with pitching great randy johnson a bad idea? randy: sorry man, you all right? man: yeah, im good. yeah you just winged me. randy: think anybodys going to notice that? man: yeah, probably. maybe we should just go sledding... vo: geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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>> i'm back with luther elliss telling a remarkable story, one of tragedy really. luther and i first made an encounter in recent campaign. i want to let you see something luther said in a better time for both of us. >> mike huckabee. stands for freedom.
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>> mike: i love that! i just hope it wasn't that that caused your bankruptcy. >> no. it wasn't that at all. that was fun. i enjoyed doing that. started with the politics there and they caught me off-guard there to speak on your behalf. >> mike: you said the right thing. it just want you to know. >> it was easy to do. >> mike: i want to talk about, i guess i'm stunned by the fact that so many of the players, 70% of the n.f.l., 60% overall of professional athletes. when you talk to the guys now, do they listen to you? you've been there. what are they hearing when you talk to them? >> well, right now, we're still in the midst of going through this, making the transition. right now, i am speaking to more individuals privately and those things. a lot of guys are still, you know afraid to share that. i'm heading down that path right now. when i first arrived in detroit.
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my financial advisor told us that statistic. back then, 70% will end up bankrupt, divorced or homeless three years after leaving the game. all of us looked around and said it won't be me, not going to be us. now having the opportunity to go out and share the story and help some of the guys, they're asking like what do i do? >> mike: what do you tell them? what specific things can you tell them? >> i tell them they have to take ownership of their finances. for many professional athletes and just entertainers in general. people, the media, they know that they have people to take care of that. financial advisor comes to you. give me your stuff, i'll do the budget. i'll take care of everything. you'll have a check coming every week or every month. we can't do that. guys need to take responsibility. they didn't know what is happening and they need to understand a basic budget. most guys don't. they know the checks are rolling in. i'm making "x" amount of millions of dollars a year. no way i can spend it. but the little nickel and diming thing happens and catches up with you, especially if if you don't know where it's all going. >> mike: one thing that i
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find amazing is that your wife did not just say to you okay, you've done dumb things with our money and that's it. i'm out of here. she didn't even really blame you, did she? >> no. she has never told me, "i told you so." >> mike: unbelievable. would you say that again? [ laughter ] for every husband out there. say that again. >> she's never told me, "i told you so." >> mike: did she tell you so? >> she did. almost every venture, almost every venture i got into she was against. i went against some biblical principles there. against my own principles and beliefs and my thought process getting involved in the companies, look at more money we can make and how much more we can give away and help out our causes and what we feel causes about. i use it as my justification. she said my last thing i don't agree with what i'm doing. since we went through this and share the story and
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different couples she still hasn't said i blame you. she's been angry. a few times but she has never said i'm going to leave you or do those things. we made a vow to each other. we made a commitment and we'll stick through it. >> mike: you guys have been able to weather the storm. a lot of marriages couldn't. why has your marriage been able to withstand the pressure, luther? >> our belief. our belief in our lord and savior. and biblical principle whansd we stand for. we made a commitment to each other and we'll never let go of that, richer, poorer, sickness and in health. we're going to stand strong together. i'm grateful we both have that. >> mike: well, obviously, both richer and poorer you have been able to give an example of real faith. of forgiveness. and of perseverance. i'm going to make a prediction about you, luther. the qualities that made you a superstar in the n.f.l., that gave you the discipline and the tenacity to take it all
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away, a level at which very few people ever make it will get your feet back on the solid ground. i predict you will recover from this and we're going to look at you and say wow, he made it, he lost it and made it again and using it for the lord and good things. thank you for sharing with an a remarkable story. >> thank you. >> mike: very nice to meet you. luther elliss. we will be right back. don't go away. ♪ let's take a look at the stats. mini has more than double the fiber and whole grain... ming him a great contender in thist... against mid-morning hunger. honey nut cheerios is coming in a littlehort. you've got more whole grain in your little finger! let's get ready for breakfaaaaaaaaaast! ( ding, cheering, ringing ) keeping you full and focused with more than double the fiber and whole grain...
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>> mike: the little rockers are here to close out
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tonight's show. jen crocker from the graphics department is on vocals. chief religion correspondent lauren green on keyboard. production assistant dan bailey on guitar. electric guitar audio technician keith wilson, writer bob higgins on acoustic guitar. on drums, camera man josh patch. we're going to play a great old classic from otis redding. you know it. "sitting on the deck of the bay." i hope you enjoy it, everybody. good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ sitting in the morning sun ♪ ♪ i'll be sitting when the evening comes ♪ ♪ watching the ships roll in ♪ ♪ and i'll watch 'em roll away again ♪ ♪ i'm sit on the dock of the
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bay ♪ ♪ watching the tide roll away ♪ ♪ sitting on the dock of the bay ♪ ♪ wasting time ♪ left my home in georgia ♪ heading for the frisco bay ♪ ♪ i've got nothing to live for ♪ ♪ nothing going to come my way ♪ ♪ i'm going sit on the dock of the bay ♪ ♪ watching the tide roll away ♪ ♪ oooh ♪ sitting on the -- of the bay ♪ ♪ wasting time
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♪ nothing is going to change ♪ ♪ oh, no ♪ everything still remains the same ♪ ♪ i can't do what people tell me to do ♪ ♪ so i guess i'll remain the same ♪ ♪ yeah, sitting here resting my bones ♪ ♪ loneliness won't leave me alone ♪ ♪ no ♪ 2,000 miles i've gone ♪ just to make this my home ♪ i'm going to sit on the dock of the bay ♪ ♪ watch the tide roll away ♪ sitting on the dock of the
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bay ♪ ♪ wasting time ♪ ♪ ♪
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